Season 2 Ep 7: Breast Implant Illness, Mold & An Explant Journey To Health | Tammy Dean

Sam: 0:00

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome back to What’s Eating You. We are your hosts, Sam. And Kim. And today we’re bringing you all of the health and wellness information and healing knowledge that you’re hungry for. Please remember to like, subscribe, share with your loved ones. You just never know who this information can help. Today we have such a special guest, incredibly inspiring businesswoman, entrepreneur, award-winning realtor, health and wellness advocate, and an all-around incredible human being, Tammy Dean.

Tammy: 0:44

That’s like a lot to follow. I mean, for you to read off all of my accolades, I’m like, wow, is that me? Yeah. Yes, that is. Yeah. Yes. Thank you so much for I’m so, so thrilled. I’ve been looking forward to this for so long for so many reasons. And it’s, you know, anytime you can collaborate with others of like-mindedness or even someone who is not aware of what it is you represent to just bring awareness. I feel like there’s strength in numbers. And what you two have done with your platform and what you do helping the community is just so impressive. And I’m just honored to be in this space right now. So thank you.

Sam: 1:23

We are beyond honored to have you. We both have been looking forward to this day for a long time as well. Yeah. It’s such a beautiful day to sit together and come together. Like she said, there’s three of us on the same mission with the same mission in mind and the same intention and purpose. And that’s a powerful thing. Yeah.

Kim: 1:40

The wellness warriors. We’re wellness warriors at this point, really fighting a good fight to help people fully understand their bodies. And we were talking a little offline about what your body was telling you and what your story you’re going to bring to the community. And at this point, knowing we’re not alone anymore.

Tammy: 1:59

You know, it’s, I think, well, I know, because we’ve all lived, we all have our journey, right? As far as what got us here and why we do what we do and what we espouse. But I feel like with society being the way that it is, especially with women, and I think more so now with men than ever, there’s a certain standard that society tells us we have to ascribe by. And when we as women decide we aren’t going along that trajectory and we’re going to own our power, own our voice, and own who we authentically are, when we start to show up like that, whether that means detoxing heavily, and I feel like detoxing and the cleanses that you guys provide are so symbolic of what’s no longer valuable in your life because you’re ridding yourself of things that don’t work for you anymore. But when you start to show up for yourself authentically, and that’s been my journey from day one, is going against the system and doing something, in my case, removing my breast implants and going against the system and saying, that doesn’t define me anymore. Having big breasts and being super skinny and fake eyelashes and all the things don’t define me anymore. So when you start to own your truth, the right people start to come into your life. Your tribe starts to develop. And that is the power of social media. We met through social media, and here we are in person live, touching each other, being in each other’s space. But when you start to honor yourself, the universe, God, whomever you ascribe to brings you exactly what you need and it’s no longer forced. So how we’re showing up today, right now, is you see me and you and you is who we are. Yeah. Right. And that’s the power.

Sam: 3:42

And your message. What you’re get what you’re putting out into the into the world. And so we are here to amplify your story and to highlight it.

Kim: 3:50

What is X planning? What is breast implant syndrome? And and why this is so important for other women who may be thinking about it or may are going through it. Or maybe thinking about getting implants. Yeah. Right. Thinking about implants and also going through it.

Tammy: 4:07

What is it? Tell us what it is. So first I want to say this before I go into that. There is no judgment here for the woman who has implants right now, or who for the woman who is contemplating getting implants. That is their journey. But I will tell you, I was living the life in Los Angeles 35 years ago. I was a fitness model, uh, fell prey to the whole, you have to look a certain way in order to book work. I said, okay, let me get the skinniest I can ever be. I was probably 6% body fat. I was doing a lot of fitness modeling. And a good friend of mine, he’s not so good friend now, he made a comment to me and said, you know, you would look so much better if you had bigger boobs. And I didn’t think back then, you know, and I’m a confident woman who always speaks my opinion, but I didn’t even think twice about the weight of what he said to me. And I just said, Oh my gosh, you’re right. Let me go ahead and look into that. So I looked into it, long story short. When I was going into surgery, I remember the surgeon, and God bless that man, he’s no longer in business, rightfully so. Um, he said to me, How much do you want me to fill your bags with? Because if we do very little, you’re gonna come back because you’re gonna want more. So I said to him at that point, put as much as you can on my body because I don’t want to come back and go through this again. So he filled up 550 CC’s and I was a D. Imagine me as a D. This tiny, tiny, tiny, right? Tiny. Yeah. So I was a D. And from then on, it I what I thought was success ensued. I booked more jobs, I got different attracti and different attention from men, not so good attention from women. Then I started realizing, and I said this offline, when I was going through that, I prayed about it and I said, okay, if this is what I’m supposed to do, then show me. And I remember a voice saying, Please don’t do this to me. And I dishonored it. I dishonored it. And that is probably why now I am hyper-vigilant about honoring who I am now and showing up the way that I show up and honoring other people’s space and their existence when they show up. It was your body that my body was saying to me, please don’t do this to us. Right. And when I was went under, I remember vaguely uh them pushing around on my breast and I was in pain. And then when I woke up, I had these big attachments on my body. And I thought it was great. Oh my gosh, I’m amazing. Look at me, I’m so skinny. I have these big boobs and I got the attention and this, that, and the other. But no sooner than six months into it, I started getting sick. Whoa. Not knowing that breast implant illness was a thing because back then it wasn’t. Right. What they told you was, or what they failed to tell you was these have a shelf life of 10 years. And whether it’s silicone or saline or both, they’re still toxic that they need to be replaced. By the time I realized they were making me sick and I was a full-blown breast implant illness person, it was four years ago, and I was sicker than sick, and they were 32 years old, never replaced them. Wow. And when I started getting sick, and if you Google breast implant illness, and we’ll talk about this, all the symptoms I had autoimmune markers, skin issues, uh, my eyes were red all the time because I had chemicals leaching out of my eyes. I had neurological issues, I we developed weird intolerances, allergies to everything. I couldn’t even drink water without being bloated. I mean, you name it, I was that person. Once I found out what was causing the issue, they did a mammogram. They said one of your implants are leaking. And that’s when I decided this is it. But it was cracked, so you couldn’t do anything during crack. But when they pulled it out, there was black mold in one of them. Yeah.

Kim: 7:34

So it wasn’t just leaking what was inside, you guys. It is what’s inside the breast implants was leaking as well internally. And so no matter what you did, and no matter which way you looked at it, you were being poisoned from within.

Tammy: 7:50

So here’s the thing. So that the implants themselves are made out of silicone and synthetics. So that’s where the toxins are. So even if the doctor tells you, even today, because they’ve somehow, you know, improved the implants, that they could put I had saline implants, and the doctor said, Don’t worry about it because we’re comp our bodies are made up of saline anyway. So you’re not gonna have any problems. Okay. But it was the encasing that was causing the issues. And imagine if you could having implants put onto you, okay, and over years your body develops what we call a capsule to protect you from the implant. So when you do the explant surgery, in order for it to be effective and successful, they have to do what we call a total explant, which is removing the implant, and a total capsulectomy, which is removing the capsule. Because when you remove those implants, all those toxins are attached to that capsule. That’s where they’re leaching. So when you remove them and you’re detoxing, those toxins no longer have anywhere to attach. So what do they do? They’re coming out of your skin. That’s why the pathways have to be open. That’s why cleanses like your cleanse are so important for women, especially if you’re going through this breast implant illness, whether you’ve removed them or contemplating it, you have to have those drainage pathways open. Because I didn’t. So my skin was one big flare. I I was just a hot mess.com for four years.

Sam: 9:09

Oh, even after getting him out, yeah.

Tammy: 9:12

But here’s here’s the misconception. When you have them removed, all of the symptoms go away immediately because you’re removing the the implant. The the root of the problem. But then the body starts to the true detox kicks in. So I’ve been detoxing for 32 months. This just this year, I turned the corner. Wow. Just this year.

Sam: 9:33

Congratulations.

Tammy: 9:33

Yeah, it’s all just this year. Yeah.

Sam: 9:35

What a wild.

Tammy: 9:36

It’s very real. It’s very real. Um, I have friends whose husband or partners don’t want them to remove the breasts because, right? Yeah. And and I have had so many women reach out to me through social media saying, hi, you know, I’m 75 years old. I’ve had three implant surgeries. My husband won’t let me remove them. I said, get rid of the husband.

Kim: 9:54

Ooh, get rid of the husband.

Tammy: 9:57

Like, really?

Kim: 9:58

We can’t see that you’re ill. And yeah, I mean, it gets to a point where you’re not well and you know exactly why you’re not well. Um, breast implant syndrome is is a real thing. And if they can’t support that, like this is this is your only body.

Sam: 10:14

If they don’t see you’re beautiful without them, get rid of that husband.

Kim: 10:18

Tammy, it’s a pretty amazing what you’ve done. Crazy. Like the fact that you’ve advocated for yourself and that you have researched so much in order for you to understand your body. And thank you for sharing all of this with the community because I think people don’t realize that the body is fighting against it. It’s a foreign object inside of your body. And again, I am not opposed to people doing things to their body. I’ve had a breast reduction. We’ve talked about that offline, where you know, I changed the way I look for actual like reasons for pain because my breasts were so big. But she used to- You still have to set them on the table. Some on the table, they were so you’re gonna be the same thing.

Tammy: 10:56

Yeah, I mean, she was like, My shoulders bothered me and my neck and just I couldn’t wait to get the brumps. I was like, let them free. I was like, I mean, literally, like, oh my god, this was so much better because it was so heavy.

Tammy: 11:10

It was so bad, so bad. And you couldn’t find anything that fits you because you’re like, oh my gosh, I need like an extra large top, and everything else is small. I mean, there were so many things that I think I in retrospect that I say to myself and go, why did I not pay attention to my voice then? Yeah. Like, what was it that was not allowing me to hear my voice? Right. And now my voice is so loud.

Kim: 11:31

We love it.

Tammy: 11:32

Like, right? And it’s so loud now that I have, and we’ve had this conversation on your previous podcast where I’ve stopped dating guys that knew me back then with the matte lashes and the hair and the whole nine yards that have come back into my life and have said, Oh my god, are you ever gonna? I just said what, ever what? What am I gonna ever do again? Put lashes back on if I want to. And if I don’t, that’s okay too. Oh, I think you’re beautiful. Do you know what I’m saying? But do you know what I’m saying? Oh, Tammy, do you ever miss your boobs? No, I don’t. Well, are you gonna ever no, I’m not. And you know what? If this is your attitude, I can’t date you. Right. I’m out. Hell no. I’m out, right? So it goes back to when you show up authentically, the things that are meant for you will come into your life and stay. You won’t have to manipulate it to happen. Yeah. And that’s what’s happened. I’m surrounded by people now. My business is thriving. I’m doing business with Ophora. I mean, everything is just in alignment with who I am, truly. Right? But but make no mistake, breast implant illness is very real. Yeah. And I’ve spoken on so many platforms about this, you guys. I mean, I was get I was ghosted by so many doctors for 15 years. I was in and out of the ER, doctors giving me, you know, prednisone, giving me steroid shots, give me antibiotics, give me this, give me that. It’s all in your head. No, it’s not. Wow. Yeah. Coming from Western medicine, you know how that is, right? It’s all in your head.

Kim: 12:52

It’s all in your head. And the thing is, is that it’s literally a physical thing that’s in your body that can be tested for if you have the right doctors to help you test. So what did you just have mold in your breast and plants?

Tammy: 13:05

I had parasites too? Oh my God. I I was the poster child for a parasite cleanse, right? So, as you know, having done the parasite cleanse a few times now, your skin responds so quickly when you’re getting rid of all the toxins in your body. My skin was such a mess. I mean, I had eczemaus conditions, I had dermatitis all the time, my hair was falling out, it was frail. I mean, my eyes were always leaching because chemicals were coming, toxins were coming out of my eyes.

Sam: 13:32

Well, that’s also the mold, right?

Tammy: 13:33

Yeah, and the inflammation in my joints, my whole body. I was just like on fire all the time. I couldn’t regulate it. So when when, and again, you can’t test for it. All they can do is run labs, and the labs don’t tell you, right?

Kim: 13:46

And if they don’t know what they’re running, that’s right. If they’re not looking for mold and specific mold, they’re they’re it’s all gonna come back. Oh, your white blood cells are a little elevator, EOS, like it’s all gonna say that, but they’re gonna obviously go back to, well, you’re fighting an infection. And there’s an antibiotic. Something else is going on though.

Tammy: 14:04

And I knew it. And just like the universe, when I was fighting through all of this, and I knew I was in and out of the ER so much, you guys, so much that I had exhausted my copay on my insurance. Everything was done. And I finally said, okay, I have to get to the root cause of this. Then 2020 shows up, and I was sitting in my natural path’s office in the lobby waiting, and I overheard this woman talking to the doctor saying, I am so glad I removed my implants. I’m so much healthier. And I looked up and I go, Wait, what? I have goosebumps right now. Yeah, I just got them too. Right? And I go, wait, what? And I kept listening to her conversation. And then I went up to her. I said, You know what? My name is Tammy. I said, I overheard what you just said. I said, Did you have your implants removed? And she said, Yes. I said, Well, why why? What made you do that? She rattled off all the symptoms. Every symptom. Every one of them that I’ve been living with for years. For years, for years. And I said, Okay, how, who, what doctor? Because remember, these doctors don’t do act, they didn’t do explants because it didn’t bring them money. Implants were where the money was. There were very few. And she led me to a group called um Nicole’s breast implant illness group on Facebook. There was a list of surgeons that did X plants and only X plants. So one thing led to another. And I said, Okay, this is it. Went to the doctor. He said, Okay, this is what you need to do. MRI picked up a leak. I said, Okay, this is the this is my problem. But as soon as I knew my implants were making me sick, I booked the procedure, but I had to wait four months. So finally had it done. Long story short, had it all done. But I will say, prior to that and up until that, I knew what was going on with my body six months in, but I never did anything about it.

Kim: 15:37

Six months. So when she says years, it was decades. She was having 32 years. Then six months in. Six months in the city. The body immediately rejects rejecting it. It’s unfortunate that it does, it does happen. But because we’re 30 years down the line and they’ve been saying the same thing of, oh, well, we’re full we’re made of saline. Yep. So nothing’s gonna hurt you.

Sam: 16:02

And back then there wasn’t social media of women out and sharing their stories, and then other women like you had to run into someone in real life who said something different. Wait.

Kim: 16:10

But not even you guys, not even someone like myself from Western Medicine would I have ever thought that mold and parasites could live inside of the breast implants.

Sam: 16:19

Can we please dive into that a little bit? Because that part is like wild. So what about having this foreign object? We could also call it a foreign invader. No, it is a foreign object, the body doesn’t know what it is. But what is it about that being in why why does the mold and parasites go to it?

Tammy: 16:36

Like what is that about? I can speak to the mold. So think about a capsule that’s just residing in a warm place. And where does mold grow? Warm, dark. Okay. So this implant is in your body, in a cavity, essentially. Warm, dark, and wet. There you go. So it’s in a cavity, right? A man-made cavity. And they’ve dug out the muscle, they’ve dug out the tissue, and put this implant in, and they sew you back up. So for me, they went through the nipple. So they push this thing in through the nipple, sew it up, and you’ve got this thing growing inside of you. It’s warm, it’s dark, and it’s wet.

Sam: 17:05

Oh, and then it’s for it.

Tammy: 17:06

It’s a for it’s a playground for it. And when it’s leaking, it’s a petri dish for it. That’s exactly what it is. It’s a petri dish. But the crazy thing is, only one of them was affected. I have friends and colleagues where both of them are affected. But you know what they do? They’ve seen me go through this and they say, I’m just gonna get go get them replaced.

Kim: 17:27

Oh, whoa. Well, because it is really dramatic to have them pulled out and it’s a long process. And once it’s done, like the scarring that we have, not from me having just having a reduction, it’s pretty intense scarring. Like they could-Cause you have an anchor scar, right? Yeah, yeah. I have it cut here and down on both sides. Yeah, same. And so it’s intense just for that scarring. And just the scarring alone has taken 10 years from me to heal it. It hurts. It was red and inflamed. I can’t wear specific bras. I can’t wear underwires. So you’re really adjusting your way of life. One, you looked, you thought you looked good, which a lot of women do look good with them. But then at the same time, like, what is the exchange in that? Not even called inside of them. Exactly. Like, because honestly, until I got into this world, I didn’t even think about mold and parasites inside of breast implants.

Sam: 18:23

It you told me that I heard that for the first time two nights ago. Yeah. Kim said it to me. And I’ve never heard that, and I’m 36. Like I never, I’ve never heard of that ever. Mold and parasites growing in and on breast implants inside of women.

Kim: 18:38

You’re supposed to be encapsulated, right? And when you get a leak, it’s open. It’s open. So if you have dogs or if you’re not cleansing your body, where do you think those things are gonna go? That is a perfect living environment for them. One, it’s their own biofilm, their own ecosystem. That’s right. So they and then they love to live together. And a lot of people that had mold in them should get tested for Lyme. Yes, because they’re finding the studies showing that people that have mold in their body also will test positive for Lyme. Absolutely. And so those three things live together. They live together. And then it’s almost impossible one to do sauna because you’re not supposed to do sauna.

Tammy: 19:18

I couldn’t, I couldn’t. When you had breast implants. And that’s the crazy thing. I was doing all the things, not being told that you shouldn’t be doing that. Because it’s hot. It’s hot. It beats them up. It’s like radiation. Yes.

Kim: 19:30

It’s so bad. Do not do sauna if you have breast implants. Like again, this is not a judgment. No. It’s literally us giving you some education. If you have some unusual chronic illnesses and symptoms and you don’t really know what’s going on with you, like go and just get checked. Because it’s so simple to go and get aspergillus niger testing. What I tested high four. That was like the highest of all. Yeah.

Sam: 19:56

It’s wild to think that you are limited and prohibitive. From doing things that are just naturally so good for you. Like drainage pathways open and sweating is sweating is a human necessity to some degree to get toxins out. You have to sweat. In the sauna.

Kim: 20:15

You can’t go in that high 160 plus because they’ll, it’s really not.

Sam: 20:21

To me, that’s a restriction that humans have been using heat, uh the element fire forever from the beginning of time, sweat lodges and actually like using it to sweat to detox to get things out. And so even me, like when I have braids, I can’t do sauna steam that week, just for a week. And I and it’s all I always notice it. I’m like, oh, I really want to sweat. I need to sweat, but I can’t. And so just that having that like limit, yeah, that limitation to do something that’s so good and healthy for you. So wild.

Tammy: 20:50

You know, you guys, when I the whole 32 years that I had the implants, I didn’t sweat once.

Kim: 20:55

Wow.

Tammy: 20:56

And I used to do hot yoga. Wow. I used to run all the time, and people were like, you know. So I go, yeah, I don’t sweat. I never made the connection ever. But once I had them removed, whole you sweat. Oh my gosh. Like unbelievable. Unbelievable. But imagine that. Imagine never sweating. Yeah, I didn’t ever wasn’t a big sweat person.

Kim: 21:14

I just started in this last well, this journey of the last few years. It is a weird concept. It’s so necessary. That I didn’t sweat. Yeah. But I also think that the scarring that I have also creates conflict in my lymphatic system. Yes. And I didn’t know about this journey of the neuro that, like we talked about neurotherapy and getting injections in the scars to help break up the scar tissue because scar tissue can hold trauma and bacteria and mold and candida. I was listening to a podcast where the lady ripped herself having a baby. And when they sewed her back up, they accidentally sewed some mold spores and some candida. Oh. And she couldn’t walk for 27 years, you guys. And she got to a doctor and the doctor said, Do you have any scarring? Did you have a C-section or did you tear? And she goes, Well, yeah, I tore. And he immediately looked and said, Well, you’re not walking because you literally got mold and candida sewn inside of you. So I go through and I do the neurotherapy because I mean I have candida systematically and I have mold for my whole life. So of course, some of those are inside of my scars. Of course. So there’s like more than just, okay, we got them removed or we changed. But now going forward, this body that we have needs to be protected as well.

Tammy: 22:32

Removing them is the first step. And ladies, let me tell you something. It takes a huge act of courage to A, have them removed, make that decision to yourself. Make that honor your word. And I know it’s not easy because society tells us one thing, our partner tells us another. But at the end of the day, this is your body, your right, you choose. So making that decision is number one. But having them removed is the first step. Everybody’s detox journey is different, just like in anything else. But when it comes to ex-planting and the detox process, I’m going to speak personally. It took me, like I said, I just recently this year cleared of everything. And I’m still on a journey. I’m still parasite cleansing with ParaFy. I’m still drinking good water. I’m still doing all the things because it’s not just a protocol as we’ve talked about. This is my life now. This is like an ongoing way to just keep myself optimized and live. But once you remove them, you feel like, oh my God, hallelujah. I had them removed. I can go back to life. Yes, you can. However, the true detox starts months later to a year later. I have friends who removed them a year ago and they’re going through what I went through, and I’m watching them go through it. Hit mass cell. Mast cell. I mean, histamine levels were off the chart. My hormones were a mess. I was just such a mess. And I was, I remember going through this. My body was just covered in rash. I couldn’t sleep. I had so many food intolerances that I could only rotate between 12 foods. 12. And I had a chef cooking for me at the time. And I was still, but I lost, imagine me again, I lost eight pounds immediately from the breast implants. But then I got down to 90 pounds. Wow. 90 pounds. And I’m 60, I’ll be 60 years old next year. But four years ago, I was 90 pounds. Four years ago. Imagine that. So then you think to yourself, okay, this is the end of it. No, I was so distraught, not knowing how to do this. I was doing red light therapy. I was doing the detox protocols of mold. I was doing antiviral, heavy metal, I was doing all the things, eating well, doing all the things, but I was still so sick. And I knew it was going to happen because they say it has to get worse before it gets better, like anything else. But I remember distinctly when I was going through it, I was dating a guy at the time, and this is the barefoot guy, the parasite guy we talked about. And I remember him saying to me that he was tired of taking care of me. And I just got up and left. Couldn’t even drive, couldn’t drive because I couldn’t move. I got an Uber and I left. And I said, that’s it, right? So going through that during that time, it comes and goes and waves. Your detox journey is never linear. There’s always a pivot, there’s always this, there’s always that. And you have to move with it. But what it taught me through all of that, having done all the things like you both have done, we could teach a masterclass on this. And you’ve made it your life mission. Yep. Because of what you’ve been through and you as well. Whatever you’ve gone through, that is your platform. So now here I am, hindsight is always 2020. When I see these young girls and they come up to me and say, Oh my God, I’m gonna go get my breasts done, I can’t say no, don’t do it. Yep. I can’t. But you can share your story. But I can share my story. And that is why when I come on like this and I share it, if there’s one person, whether she’s 18 years old or 80 years old, and if she’s listening to this, that’s what’s important. Make the best decision for you because your life will change. Because it’s not, it’s not just a one and done.

Kim: 25:56

Yeah.

Tammy: 25:56

You’re forever detoxing because breast implant illness is no joke. And as you know, the mold is no joke. No joke. Because once it resides inside of you, it you it it it’s almost impossible.

Kim: 26:06

And and I hate to say those words because it puts people in a mindset, well, then why do I even get started? But and there’s layers. I mean, the thing is is that you think that you’re good and then you peel another layer off, and then you peel another layer off. And for me, I’ve used those layers to make kits and to help cleanse and to make sure people understand their bodies. Unfortunately, though, there are so many layers in and I get discouraged, but then I stop and I think what I’m doing and what I’m saying is helping someone who doesn’t have a voice. Yeah. And I have a voice, I’m loud. And I feel like this topic that we’re talking about is just something that not a lot of people realize. I didn’t even realize it. And I always say this I come from Western medicine and I was valivictorian in both of my degrees, and I didn’t know this.

Tammy: 26:58

That’s the thing, right? I mean, because the practitioners in today’s world, they don’t want you to have a voice. Yeah. We know that. And even recently, when I was exposed to black mold, um, I had to go on a pretty heavy and aggressive detox protocol, and that’s when I did the MolDeze, I believe, with you. And then the water and the whole nine yards. But what normally would have been a 12-week run was reduced to six because of the MolDeze, because of ParaFy, because of the water, because of just all the things that I knew were at my disposal that I knew would work. Oh, you’re using some of the best tools on the planet. Right. So when you when you know that knowledge, it’s very powerful because you know you’ll you’ll get through it. May not be easy, but you’ll get through it. But the practitioners don’t tell you that. All and I remember going to my dermatologist and saying, Okay, I what is this? Before I knew it was black mold. She goes, Oh, it’s uh, let me do a little biopsy. And she came, came back eczemaus in nature. Right. Okay. Okay, here’s an antibiotic. I go, what infection do I have? Doctor looked at me. I said, What infection are you treating? I don’t want that. I don’t want doxycycline. Okay, next. Here’s a steroid. What inflammation are you treating? Yes, there’s rashes, but what are you treating? I go, you know what, doctor? Forgive me for review her doctors. You haven’t figured it out yet because you’re still practicing medicine.

Sam: 28:15

Ooh, and treating the symptom. You’re not looking for the root cause.

Tammy: 28:19

You haven’t, oh, that’s right. You haven’t figured it out yet because you’re still practicing. I’m going to take this matter into my own hands. And that’s when I did the MolDeze, that’s when I did ParaFy, that’s when I started soaking in the water even more, red light, all the things, ozone, did it all. Good, right? So I feel bad when I go into these doctors’ offices and see the elderly sitting there, medication after medication after medication. And they’re and their bodies don’t know a difference either.

Kim: 28:43

No. I’m actually moving home closer to my family because my parents are older and they need to understand that my mom’s been in mold. I mean, the amount of mold that’s in our body is wild. And I think that they don’t know how Western medicine doesn’t know how to fix it.

Tammy: 29:04

And so they just throw their hands on it. So do you think, Kim, that is the case, or do they not want to because they know there’s no money in it?

Sam: 29:10

I think there’s both.

Kim: 29:10

I think it’s both. I think from what I know of people and my colleagues and who I’ve worked with, they’re not malicious in intent, but they’re also fearful because look at what I’ve gone up against. I mean, that’s a scary thing. This is their livelihoods. They get paid by insurance. There has to be an insurance code.

Sam: 29:29

Every script they write.

Kim: 29:31

Yeah. So the reason why breast implant illness wasn’t a thing. There wasn’t a code. There wasn’t an insurance code. No. So they were not able to talk to you about it without having an insurance code. That insurance code is what gets you the labs. It’s what gets you the imaging. It’s what gets you the medication. It’s what gets them paid. If you don’t have a code because the ICD 10 never had a code for it, they can’t talk to you about it. Their hands are shackled. They don’t know what else to do.

Sam: 29:59

It doesn’t exist outside of their box. Right.

Kim: 30:01

So it’s not always an intentional thing for them. This is the way we were programmed. And when you leave that program, that indoctrination, it is scary. It’s a free, it’s a free fall for us, right? And so I think that with all the things that we’re doing and being loud in the wellness community and having practitioners sit up and listen and listening to this and what you’re saying, I think a lot of them are going outside of that box from what I’m seeing. Yeah. You know, and we do have a really great group of people here on Instagram that are out there in the real world fighting at this point with doctor behind their name in front of their name, you know. That you’re supposed to trust. Yeah. So I think that at this point, I think we’re in this medical awakening that me and Sam talk about a lot. And part of it is what you’re going through because can you imagine just sitting there constantly cleansing, constantly cleansing, and not knowing what else it was, but not even knowing that it could be your breast implants?

Tammy: 31:00

You know, when I when that when that was very made very clear to me, I I cried because I thought, oh my gosh, it’s I have the answer. Right. But then when I couldn’t get them removed, it was just so horrible.

Sam: 31:14

Oh, you had to wait. I had to wait. Sat and waited for four years.

Kim: 31:19

And it’s expensive too. It is the insurance won’t pay for it.

Sam: 31:22

Oh, because cosmetic.

Kim: 31:24

It’s all out of pocket.

Sam: 31:25

Can you imagine the woman out there that’s ill and needs but because she can’t afford to?

Kim: 31:31

There’s so many people online, like Andy is one of them, who got ex-planted and it was like tens of thousands of dollars. It was 18,000 for me. It’s so could you imagine like not being able to knowing and she’s like, I’m knowing it’s killing me. Yeah. She knew it was coming in her body and just wreaking havoc. 18 grand.

Tammy: 31:51

Take it a step further for the person who’s had them removed and can’t afford the detox. Yeah. After I have a friend that I’ve made from social media because of my testimonial, my story, she writes to me every day. We talked about her. I think we sent her a kit.

Kim: 32:03

Yeah.

Tammy: 32:04

And she just said, Tammy, I don’t know what else to do. And I could only help her as much as I could because I’m not a naturopath, right? But I did say these are the things you need to do. You need to bind for sure. You need to make sure everything’s open up. So she’s doing the best she can. But she is two years into it and she is so in the middle of detoxing and can’t afford it. Women like that, I have I have meditated on this day in and day out. I need to start some sort of GoFundMe or something to have funds accessible for women who don’t have the funds, A, to get the X plan done, B, what happens afterwards? Because everybody’s journey, everybody’s journey is different. But nonetheless, you have to detox. You absolutely have to. But what’s more important is what is it about us as women in this society of ours that tells us, whether it’s a boob job or you know, getting filler or whatever. And again, no judgment. People do it. I did it for a long time. What is it about us? That’s the bigger question that tells us you need to change the way God made you.

Sam: 33:01

Yeah. Like where you’ll be more beautiful if you change the way you’ll love yourself more. Yeah. By the way, yeah, yeah, like I’m just curious. Like, I just want to ask straight up, like honestly, yeah. Every time you would get something done or get, did you really genuinely internally be like, feel like I am more beautiful now? Or were was it kind of like you were always chasing like the next always chasing Sam?

Tammy: 33:24

And you know what was interesting because I was doing a lot of fitness modeling at the time. And the guy the men that I were dating were high profile guys, whether they were politicians, athletes, or entertainers. And I was living in LA, as you know, the LA lifestyle. I was that woman. I think for me, versus chasing it, yes, because I thought, okay, this is more, more, more. I can do this. It was the attention, and it was a very, it was a psychology 101 class for me on self-confidence because I was raised confident. However, however, it was glaringly clear going through that when I reflect on it. Not only was I chasing, but I didn’t think I was enough because of the relationship I had with my dad. My dad was never available growing up. So I was always seeking that that void to be filled by men. So the attention that I received, holy crap, holy crap. But then the minute I no longer identified with these, and I when men would talk to me and I was getting tired of being looked at that way, when a man would talk to me, he would look at my breasts and I would say, excuse me, I’m up here. Like my eyes are up here, like shift your focus. I couldn’t, I wanted to cut them out of my body. When I made that association and said, I’m more than this, I’m more than this. And I, you know, even before I got like, even before I knew I was sick and knew about the mold, I didn’t want him anymore. So it was fool’s gold to additional.

Sam: 34:41

And then it was that was pseudo worth and value.

Tammy: 34:45

It never really was perceived because of where I was living, number one, the nature of work that I was doing, number two, and the men and the people I was surrounding myself with, right? But then when I pulled myself out of that, and I can tell you stories of when I would go out and I would do drugs, I ended up in the emergency room in LA County. Should have been dead, overdosed. I remember waking up and a man in a doctor in his white scrubs said, You’re very lucky to be alive. Wow. Okay. Hold on. I said, Thank you, doctor. When can I go home? He said, I’ll have the nurse come in and take care of you. Fell asleep about an hour later. A couple of nurses come in to discharge me. They’re all in blue scrubs. And I go, where’s the doctor and the white scrubs? And they go, What doctor in white scrubs? And I go, I go, the doctor that was just in here talking to me about an hour ago in White Scrubs. There isn’t a doctor in White Scrubs. We’re all, I’m the nurse, that’s the doctor, no doctor in White Scrubs. I knew it was an angel. An angel came, right? So an angel came to me and said, Get your right. Woo! So every since then, that’s when I started this journey to, okay, I’m done with this LA lifestyle, I’m done with these, I’m done identifying myself as this. And I changed the people that I surrounded myself with. And then the journey began. But I was still sick, right?

Sam: 36:02

So you know, you said it takes a great amount of courage. I think it also takes a great amount of strength because the amount of brain fog and not being able to think clearly or have the energy to even do anything, let alone think your way out of this. I mean, it takes such strength. Your spirit has to have such strength to get out of this hole you were in. And then also to detach from the beauty standards, attach from these outside expectations, attach from within yourself. Yeah, all of that, right? And then I also think that it takes a great amount of trust because if you’re if especially at that time, a time where this wasn’t a name or wasn’t a thing or there wasn’t a code, and it’s like, okay, like Western medicine is all I’ve been tapped into up until this point. But I know intuitively and instinctively, and my body is telling me bodily wisdom that this is the issue. I now have to trust myself, trust nature, trust alternative health and wellness, and like I have to trust like natural remedy. Like, you have to have so much trust to leave that type of even paradigm and mindset to be like, no, I’m stepping into this whole new world. But I trust that my body will be able to heal, and I trust that I’ll be able to carry myself through that healing.

Tammy: 37:24

You know what’s interesting about that, Sam, and this is really kind of touches upon just who we are right now is trust is a big thing with who we are as people. You have to trust yourself when you make a decision to honor that decision, respect yourself enough to follow through with it, right? But going through that and that journey of healing and trusting myself, I had so much distrust for myself because I put I said yes to putting them in my body. So I couldn’t even trust myself to make the decision to say, I knew psychologically what was going on, but how could I trust myself again to make this decision to repair what I’ve broken? Did you forgive yourself for not my body? I have gone through so many phases of forgiveness. Like even two days ago, you know, I was looking at myself in the mirror because I was looking at my scars. And I, and I I have made friends with them. I have made friends with, you know, like I said when I first did the parasite cleanse, I made friends with the process. So as soon as I knew that I needed to make friends with something that I feared, that I couldn’t forgive myself and overcome, that’s when the aha moment took place. So it’s not just, oh my God, I’m free and clear now, like, oh my gosh, I’m this, that, and the other. No, it shows up in different ways. And Kim and I offline were talking about, you know, I had an eating disorder too when I was growing up, anorexia. So food has always been something for me. And when I’m doing cleanses, it’s it’s balls to the wall. It’s either all or nothing, right? Yeah, same, right? So if I’m doing it, I’m doing it. Yeah. If I’m not dating, I’m not dating. If I’m making money, I’m making money. There’s no gray area with me. Yeah. So when I decided then that I needed to forgive myself and repair the relationship with my father, right? Forgive him for not being there because he was a military man. And my mom, who passed away two weeks ago, was always on medication, right? Always drugged up. God bless her, right? But that’s what I grew up around. So, how did I cope to seek that validation? Let me go get some boobs, let me get my lashes done, let me go do this. But then when you’re doing it, you’re like, what am I doing? And who am I doing this for? Like, what the F is going on? So now everything’s with intention. Coming on this podcast, okay, what is it that I’m looking to achieve? I want to spread awareness. So when I do something, when I align myself with someone, why am I doing this? Is this for someone else’s glory or is it for our credit? It’s for someone else’s glory. Yeah.

Sam: 39:44

You worded it so beautifully yesterday on the phone with me. You go, you go, you know, the unsolicited big sister advice. She needed it right then. Yeah, but like you were like better though in the hydration bath. It was in the sanctuary. I needed it. I needed it. But man, you were like, you know at some at a point in my life when I would like achieve all the things and get all the success and get all the money and do all the things you you had to ask yourself she worded it like this I had to ask myself who am I performing for and that hit me so deep because even just as like an actual performer it spills out into your other areas of your life and there’s been so many times where I have to be like I have no one to perform for I have nothing to perform I have nothing to hide I have nothing to protect I have nothing like you know you have to do that to peel the layers and then get real clear on like what’s my intention here? Yeah. What does success even really mean to me? Right. Right. What is true acceptance? Like right self acceptance like there’s like any other outside of that won’t ever actually give it to me. You know you’ll you’ll go to bed still wanting more.

Tammy: 40:48

You know and the platforms like the the the platform that you have especially the two of you guys are grinding all the time. And that’s really about I mean I’m sure you like anything else you go into it going okay what is our intention here? Like what are we setting out to do? You’re you both are changing the world single handedly in your community. You are and and I being in this tribe if I can add to that however I can add to that we’re making a difference every day. But we have to stop at some point and I do this in my real estate business I do this with O4A I do it everywhere and I say to myself okay why are you doing this? Like strip it away when you’re quiet when you’re in your own bedroom at night why are you doing this? Well I want to help the world okay but you can’t save everybody and if your cup isn’t full you can’t pour into someone else’s cup right so this whole breast implant illness journey this whole more it’s not about striving anymore. It’s it’s really about abiding with what you feel you need to do so that you’re in alignment every day. Right. But having breast implants in this society is is striving because you’re chasing and you’re chasing and you’re chasing and you’re chasing. When I showed up one day without lashes without makeup like the other night at the event I could not wait to get home and take all my off.

Sam: 42:03

Oh totally I love washing my face at the end of the night. I just don’t really wear makeup I don’t care anymore.

Kim: 42:08

I love my makeup but it’s so but it’s so nice to take it off it’s so nice when I have to put certain things on to take it off. So I can’t imagine like and I’ve just always been this way but my sister was a pageant girl. Oh she was a beauty other side of it. Yeah. So we were on the total other side and like I’ve been this way converse jeans and a t-shirt my whole life. Yeah. And so I understand both sides of it though because that’s my mask. Yeah. Right? Just dressing so that I don’t really like stand out. I just wanted to kind of but then my personality made it stand out differently.

Tammy: 42:42

That’s the thing though right because we’re all you know and I’ve gone like a 360 degree turn from where I was I could show I’ll show you guys pictures off camera of what I look like when I had breast implants.

Sam: 42:51

If if you’d like to I I would love to insert some photos of you through your process to this.

Tammy: 42:57

I’m going to and you’re going to go yeah that doesn’t even look like you I have a good girlfriend who knew me back then and she knows she’s she knows me now. And she’s like Tammy I cannot tell you how you are a world of difference right now. Like this is who you this is who God created me to be and when you and when we as women can own that there’s so much power in that and just showing up and I have been single by choice because the man I’m already here the man that comes into my life you need to bring me up here. Yeah yeah and I’m gonna show up exactly like this and you’re gonna be good more than good with it. Because if you’re not I don’t need you.

Sam: 43:30

Yeah yeah and I don’t I don’t mean that like in a way of like putting it out there.

Tammy: 43:34

Oh no no but it’s like I’ve got a good thing going here and this is who you are authentically. But it’s true we we tend to minimize things that we should maximize and maximize things that we should minimize.

Sam: 43:46

Yeah but I’m so grateful for my husband and partner because he actually was the one that when we first met and got together 14 15 years ago he’s like you don’t need all that stuff I love that take that like take those clippings take those clip inside he loves it he loves it natural I love it loved he was like he was like oh all that weave oh get me out of here and then basically like I because of him I started now I way more not like I go way more days without makeup than with makeup like way more and um and and it was because of him he actually like helped me reprogram myself I love that for you to feel more beautiful without it than with it. Like he did that for me. And so you know part of my profession I mean photo shoots and videos and just it’s you know the whole thing and it’s fun it is fun. I still enjoy it but I love being natural and bare faced and then even with like Kim the skin queen and you we definitely also have to talk because I need to know a lot of what you do.

Tammy: 44:49

I can’t believe you’re 60 to be 60 May I can’t wait I’m having a big party and you guys are coming I’m renting out a restaurant a four is gonna do the why it’s gonna be great it’s gonna be amazing we’re gonna serve ParaFy shots the well it’s gonna be the well it’s gonna be amazing.

Sam: 45:05

Well I just have to say you taking those out of your body honoring yourself honoring your body your natural body was the best thing you could have done. Oh my God. Because you are well first of all it was a catalyst to your awakening obviously 1000 and now you have this incredibly inspiring message to share with the world but you are just absolutely stunning.

Tammy: 45:26

I don’t see one thing about you I would change so we would and the lymph okay you because truthfully enough forgot to say this so when I had the resurgery there were 250 stitches in my breasts that were dissolvable but they also stitched up part of my lymph nodes. So my lymphatic drainage was not happening. So I had to go through rigorous right with the LymF Kit. Moves it moves it like you if you have never ever ever used any of RogersHood’s products and yes this is my plug parify for sure for the parasite cleanses especially if you have explanted especially the MolDeze kit especially if you’ve explanted even if you haven’t explanted you have parasites that’s a that the LymF Kit, that is my go-to every day for all the obvious reasons. And that is partly why my skin is the way that it is that is mostly why my whole body is is as healthy as it is combined with the good water and living well I made a big joke when I first got here Sam I said oh my God usually when I have friends in town they’re staying in La Jolla back in the day we’re like let’s go day drinking.

Sam: 46:30

Nope not today right we’re doing a podcast on your boobs and words after we’re done with the podcast like where can we go eat organic and let’s go walk on the beach.

Tammy: 46:44

Let’s take some wellness shops so so it’s it’s just one of those things where you have to you have to embrace every part of it because and my dad and I talked about this the other day with my mom passing he said honey you we can’t get back time. We cannot get back time. So whomever you’re in the presence of be present what does that mean? Now I used to being a real estate agent my phone’s always on me. Now I put my phone down and turn it upside down because I want to be present for you and you because we don’t know what’s going to happen five minutes from now something could happen. We don’t you can’t get that time back. So if you love someone tell them if you care for someone tell them if you’ve got this resentment in your heart about something make amends but just be present.

Kim: 47:30

That’s such good advice Tammy yeah it’s really hard in the day and age we live in now to be present. I’m working on that it is my goal for 2026 I need to be more present. I’ve run for four years every day we counted 1,475 days as of today I’ve done this every day. I’ve never taken a day off and I want to be present. These are like those memories you look back on and think man I wish I would have sat there and talked with them about this, this and this instead of oh well I’m already in the future.

Sam: 48:02

You’re doing you’re a lot more present than you realize you are and then you know you are but a lot of the reason why is because when you’re truly present you’re not in your mind. So your mind isn’t keeping track that I’m present right now. That’s why you don’t really necessarily remember that you were present but I see it every day all day it comes out through her humor through her inner child through her excitement enthusiasm for life her zest for life like she’s a lot more present than she gives herself credit for but that’s why I’m here to reflect it to her all the time because I’m like no girl you are you know but also you are like a visionary and you do use manifestation and future um as a superpower and that’s that’s a beautiful thing too so I think you’re you’re good and you’re getting better but yeah I’m every day you know all we can do is continue to work on ourselves because at the end of the day when I lay my head down this is it like this is who and what did I do today to change the world what did I do today who did you serve today to help yes you connect who did you touch who did you move and I feel like Tammy you’re one of those so impactful people in my life you’re magnetic you’re I want you to know that what you coming into my life has been such a joy.

Kim: 49:13

Social media and it’s so wild right like when I went viral the first thing I did is I’m gonna make this my bitch yeah I love it the best bitch to have I am a I’m a professor who’s chronically ill living in the woods that I am going to get on this platform and I am going to scream my knowledge from the rooftops.

Sam: 49:36

That is my goal and I love teaching people this has been beyond inspiring. You are such a magnetic and beautiful powerful woman and human thank you for using your voice thank you for choosing yourself and trusting yourself and now helping others and uh sharing your story because that is the most powerful impactful thing you can do. Everyone if you want to get any of Rogershood kits that Tammy has talked about and that she swears by that have helped her in her life so tremendously the LymF kit, the MolDeze cleanse kit or the ParaFy cleanse kit, you can head to Rogershood.com and use Tammy’s code to support her while you get your powerful kits you can use the code T Dean so T D E A N 52510 for 10% off all kits, cleanses and products at Rogershood.com Tammy if there’s one message just one thing you’d like to leave with everyone what would that be stay true to yourself because you are all you have at the end of the day.

Tammy: 50:47

Beautiful so good.

Sam: 50:49

Yeah so good powerful that’s it very powerful thank you so much for coming and sharing your honor with this community always an honor we’re so grateful you’re here we just love you we love a fora which you’re with obviously they’re everywhere with us so they’re really a good bonding for us it’s so good water usually it was vodka but now it’s water it looks like vodka but it’s not that’s what I love about it we’re in our healing era that’s for sure thank you all so much for tuning into this powerful episode please please please like subscribe leave a comment if you have any questions for us or for Tammy please drop them in the comments below and please share this episode with a woman share it with a woman that you think needs to hear it or more than one that would benefit from hearing this message today.

Kim: 51:37

We’ll drop all of your information below in the comments below so follow Tammy you hear her podcast what’s the name of your podcast? Under contract.

Sam: 51:46

Under contract in the real estate sense but in the contracts we make with ourselves beautiful love we’ll make sure all of her info is in the description below thank you for joining us for another episode of What’s Eating You until next time bye bye